I hope @syzinteg will start a new thread to keep us informed on his progress. This thread has devolved and not constructive any longer. I know what works for me.
Gumtownās results of 58 ms for low E and 35 for high e for triggering internal sounds indicate the latency is higher than all of Roland products. Are you calling out Gumtownās results? Maybe he should do more tests?
GR-55 internal trigger: 30, 17 (E, e)
GR-700 internal trigger: 47, 22 (E, e)Iāve already done all these GM-800 latency tests, and they were here for people to see before I took them down. They got a lot of backlash from the fanboys. I measured pitch to midi and pitch to internal audio. Depending on which patch you choose, the internal audio can trigger faster on certain sounds. Elantric thought the internal triggering was faster than the pitch to midi triggering, but I showed him it was not."
apparently there are some missing posts, but this should suffice. i donāt know how the gk-5 works its āmagicā, but if it is doing a/d then it must be introducing at least a small amount of latency when compared to a gk2/3.
I have a VG-800 and the pitch to midi speed is below 30 ms for the low E string. The high e is around 10 ms. It is faster than Midi Guitar 3. Iāve done pitch to midi tests with Fishman, VG-800, and MG-3. For triggering certain internal sounds in the GM-800, the latency may be large, but the pitch to midi conversion speed remains faster than Midi Guitar 3. The GM-800 has also had firmware updates since its initial release. Though the VG-800 is faster on the Low E and A strings, I do find more reliable tracking from Midi Guitar 3 for these same strings.
the last time i did comparison tests of 1/4ā output vs mg3hex i think was getting 28msec on the low E string.
are you measuring your 1/4ā output vs the roland gear? itās not a fair test if youāre comparing the summed signal from the vg/gm/mg etc.
my best low latency setup so far is the dante ethernet based option. using ethernet gets me down to the low 20ās. ethernet devices donāt have to compete for usb processing, mine is set to 2msec and never glitches.
I just did a Low E and high e test in Reaper for the VG-800. I got an 8 ms. on the high e and 23 ms. on Low E. The audio interface I used has an input latency of 2 ms., so 2 ms. would be added to those figures. Iāve never gotten figures that good out of the VG-99, GR-55, or GP-10. I find Midi Guitar 3 to be slower, but if set up properly it can be more reliable. When I compare Midi Guitar 3 to the VG-800, I compare the same triggered synth sound output. Even using the fastest mono mode, the output from the VG-800 triggered synth is on average faster than the synth audio output triggered within Midi Guitar 3. The differences are small and it all depends on your use case. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. But to dismiss Roland/Boss as a derelict company is absurd. They do good things and have great products and the serial GK technology is pretty damn amazing.
I guess you wouldnāt be posing this question unless you thought the answer was unequivocally āno.ā
Please understand, my "Do yourself a favour ā¦ " comment was intended as guidance to get you across the line (economically and quickly) so you can actually experience MG3 Hex rather than just pondering its existence.
>>The audio interface I used has an input latency of 2 ms., so 2 ms. would be added to those figures.
if your numbers arenāt end to end then i donāt really think youāre comparing apples to apples.
iāll re run my mg3 tests to confirm that my results are better than what you are reporting.
just to confirm, you are saying that you see > 30msec in mg3 (hex?) on the low E string?
roland did themselves in. remember all those times you paid $130 for a $25 cable? all those times they promised āitāll be fixed in the next firmwareā.
all they are doing is milking their reputation. they stopped innovating decades ago and are simply coasting on autopilot with a heavy dose of selling you their cloud.
if they were interested in innovation weād have optical gk pickups by now, rather than a hack like the gk-5 (canāt connect it to any of your old roland gear without forking over another $250 for the privilege).
Kimyo, might I suggest therapy? Tell us on the doll where Roland hurt you.
A2B serial digital technology IS innovative. Sorry you are missing out on the amazing modeling and alt-tuning capabilites of the VG-800. Itās the coolest tech to come around in 20 years. Enjoy your multitude of cables, 8 channel interface, crosstalk, noise, and false triggers. That sounds like a hack to me.
Iām done here. Take care.
all you have to do is tell me WHY it is innovative.
is it faster? more accurate?
iāve never seen anyone answer this question.
i see you withdraw as soon as you are asked to put up any real numbers. are you not sure? maybe mg3 is faster? give us the numbers youāre working from. put up, as they say.
The VG-800 is on average faster. Iāve tested it dozens of times in different ways. If you donāt believe me, buy one and make the comparison. Find out for yourself.
Well, not quite! The GP-10 was released in 2014!
The A/D conversion takes place in the microsecond range and applies to both GK5 and GK2/3, once already in the pickup and in the latter still in the synthesizer unit before the USB output. If you use a break-out cable it will happen in the mixer.
for science and because i find it hard to believe that the boss products are faster than mg3hex iāll bite.
which one should i buy? which one is fastest in terms of pitch to midi? (mg, vg)
you said the alt tuning works now. are you sure? can you do a baritone alt tune on any of the acoustic models? if so iāll probably go with the vg.
iām going to enjoy making a video showing the results. unlike you, i promise to post the actual numbers.
Yes, the VG-800 can do that. If you really think to buy either a GM-800 or VG-800, I strongly recommend the latter!
is this something youāve tried? technically speaking, the sy-1000 could also do a baritone acoustic alt-tune. but it was not usable.
and thanks for elaborating on the a/d gk5 details, iād searched but could not find anything definitive.
It is better than the SY-1000, Iāll send you some samples when I have some time next week.
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@Vaultnaemsae
Roland GK-Kit-GT3
Thomann item number 183640
GT3 Hex pickup > mini GT3 board > Custom Microcontroller > USB-C cable > Powered Hub > MG3Hex
No breakout cables, no multi-port audio interfaces, no Roland/Boss GR/VS/etc devices.
GT3 pickup and mini board + Custom Microcontroller fits inside an ordinary electric guitarās cavity.
It seems sniffing will be required though.
Best regards and thank you all.
Bare in mind that he GK-Kit-GT3 board needs to be powered (min +/- 7VDC ), you need to plan accordingly.
on my attempts to power preamps via usb i had significant noise issues.