Good afternoon guys, I’m currently working on a project configuration in which I’m trying to emulate the sounds and themes of the 80s TV show Miami Vice by Jan Hammer.
My goal is to be able to do so on guitar(I’m not a keyboard player) via an Artruria JUP 8 V4 plugin for the Midi Guitar 2 or 3. I don’t know much about midi setups so its a learning process. The Audio card I’m using is a Roland Quad Capture and the midi instrument is an M Audio AXIOM AIR 32 Mini. The Laptop is a DELL Intel Core i5 6300 16GB using WIN 11 (so power shouldn’t be an issue): The intended DAW will be Reaper or maybe someone can recommend a more suitable DAW?. So far I’m having some (teething) problems with the audio card and matching the buffer/sample sizes at 44.1 even in the JUP 8 plugin standalone mode produces a significant breaking up. In MG2 mode a lot of ghost notes occur even without (apparently) touching the strings on the guitar. Maybe it is too complicated a set up and it won’t work as effectively as I want although I did see the Youtube promotional video from the guitarist who plays with Carl Palmer and plays Keith Emerson’s parts on the guitar. If anyone has attempted this feat and had success or can confirm that the end result is not worth the effort I’d love to hear from them. Any suggestions or advice willingly accepted.
i have the arturia analog lab and it is very cpu heavy. it seems like the jup 8 may be the same.
try running latencymon on the laptop, this will help determine if it is capable of running vst synths without crackles at an acceptable sample rate.
if you have experience with reaper, use that, or select the daw you’re most knowledgeable with.
is your goal to make multitrack recordings?
mg2/3 is capable of doing its part on your laptop as is, by itself it really doesn’t demand much from the cpu. you shouldn’t be getting ghost notes, that’s a configuration issue.
the jup8 is a faithfully modeled recreation, and it is cpu heavy. another option is to use mg2/3 on the laptop to drive a hardware jup8 clone.
Love the idea of doing the 80s tv-series sounds. I have few on my bucket list, like Midnight Caller, Night rider, and The Equalizer (Stuart Copeland).
A JUP 8v4 with a guitar via MG3 is probably a great start. (Do you have any specific sounds (episodes/themes) in mind?
One thing you should be acutely aware of with the Arturia synths (as with the Gforce, Cherry Audio or most every emulations) is to keep an eye on the Envelope Releases. The R faders in the (ENV1/ENV2) ADSR.
Triggering notes with guitar is a little bit different from using a keyboard in that we always send out pitch bend messages, and especially for long synth sounds with slow releases this can be problematic. Since we press down between our frets to play a note, and let go to stop a note, the slight pitch dive that occurs precisly as you let go will be amplified by a long release. Since release is actually the synth sound after “note off” so there is really only two things we can do to avoid this awkward pitchy sound.
Shorten the R(elease) until it sounds good, or
Turn off pitch bends completely
Just a tip if you are just getting started.
The synth itself is pretty CPU hungry, yes. But it a question of which sounds you are using too. So if you know already, I can try those on my old MacBook, to see if there is a problem.
There might be a difference if you are setting up with it as a MPE instrument too.
Wow, great answer, thanks. I appreciate the detail you have provided. I always l loved the intro theme music of Miami Vice.Ive heard it played on guitar and was very impressed. One thing I have noted is that when the JUP 80 plugin is imported into the MG 3 programme the it appears that the buffer rates are fixed by MG3 and no longer modifiable through the JUP 80 interface (the midi settings option disappears from the menu). In standalone mode the JUP 80 midi settings can be changed easily As I said I’m just getting used to the whole set up but any advice is useful and can save hours of trial and error. Thanks again, Sean.
Thanks for the information KimYo. Hopefully my CPU can handle it! I’m kind of new to the whole process but I would hope to do multitracking in the near future with drums bass and guitar included. I’m trying MG 3 at the moment and it seems the ghost notes have disappeared.Must say I love JUP8 synth even though I’m more of a guitarist Thnx again for your advice. Sean
Yeah, but it isn’t really a MG3 thing. The same goes for opening these plugins in any DAW. What MIDI settings are you looking to change, and to what end? I mean, you have acess to assignments for realtime control over every concieble parameter inside JUP 8 if you just click on one of the four squares on the JUP 8 module in MG3. Connect a controller or MODULATOR envelope to any of these and you are off. There is no DAW that I know of that lets you do this, this easy.
