Hello everyone, i have started experimenting with my setup : Guitar to GP-10 with GK3 to Midiguitar 3 Hex, and sound output on my guitar amp. It’s been very great so far.
I am trying to approach a convenient way to mix actual guitar signal from my regular pickups with sounds from midi guitar.
I tried at first to not use my original guitar or GP-10 output at all and to replace them entirely with guitar VSTs inside MG3 and DSPs. This seemed like a dead end to me because the guitar VSTs feel too slow and not subtle enough. The ability to keep the subtlety of “analog” guitar playing (palm muting, perfect “tracking”, pick vs hand, pickup selection) is just too important.
So I tried using the audio device module in MG3 to get my dry guitar sound from the GP-10 output and then modify it using a DSP. It’s been working pretty well but i have an issue that I get at the same time the regular sound coming from GP-10 to the amp as if there was no MG3 + the reworked sound from MG3 to the amp as well.
I have managed to make the original GP-10 signal less heard by lowering it a lot and boosting the volume inside the DSP in MG3.
It’s ok but it feels strange having to tamper a signal only to amplify it afterward. I really like the fact that i can control/mix the volume of my guitar through the regular volume knobs.
I am looking for a way to mute the signal from GP-10 to the amp directly and still get my dry guitar/GP-10 signal into MG3 with knob control. Has this been adressed before ? Would anyone have advices ?
I also noticed that having an empty channel in MG3 allows some signal to pass through even though my guitar volume & GP-10 are 0. I suspect that it’s coming from the hex pickup ? The quality is very bad compared to my pickup sound.
Only the expression pedal of the GP-10 can be used controlling MG3.
I’m not sure what you mean with the patch changes. I’m using the S1/2 buttons of the GK3 to change patches on the GP-10 > MG3 is not affected by that.
Oh really, that’s lucky. On my side the patch up/down command from GP-10 either from the patch selector buttons on the pedal or on the GK3 buttons make me switch patch in MG3 also, it’s not convenient at all.
Also would you know how to redirect the output sound of MG3 to another speaker connected to my computer by bluetooth ? I only have GP-10 as output and recommended.
You can use the main outputs of the GP-10 to connect speakers. I don’t see a way to split the output of MG3 computer internally without involving a DAW and a good mixer.
You can set the MIDI patch bay in MG3 to “no MIDI controller” to see if the patches still change.
@Kimyo Wouldn’t that be rather rerouting than splitting? I don’t see the benefit of having just another audio interface instead of the GP-10 outputs. He could split the signals at the GP-10 ouput.
If the Audio Device in MG3 would be also an output it would be possible.
Do not select “GP-10” or “Any MIDI Controller” as a MIDI Input in the MIDI patchbay. If you select a device transmitting MIDI program changes, MG3 will respond accordingly by changing presets.
Don’t use Bluetooth for audio. The delay will be unbearable. Use a 3.5mm jack and connect the headphone out of the GP-10 to a set of speakers in parallel to your guitar amp.
Thanks, that would mean that i have to abandon the GP-10’s expression pedal capabilities in MG3 just so that i can prevent the program change message going to MG3 ?
I have also noticed that the CC11 only work when the GP-10 is selected as midi device and not when “any midi controller is selected”. This prevents me from using the breath controler and the expression pedal at the same time.
The GP-10 only sends MIDI PC over USB when you change its internal presets. It’s not random MIDI traffic – it only sends what you execute. So, if you don’t have to change presets, you’ll not have an issue. I don’t remember, does the GP-10 force send a MIDI PC at startup?
Also, you can only use GP-10 MIDI over USB to a computer with the required driver, so – since you’re already in the software realm – you can certainly employ some tool/s to filter out MIDI PCs before they hit MG3, if you’re experiencing a problem. Many DAWs have this capability and there are also third-party tools around, like Bome MIDI Translator Pro – Bome Software, for example.
I don’t recall this being a thing but maybe one of the forum’s current GP-10 users can confirm. As powerful as MG3 standalone is, if you encounter issues like you mention, there will almost always be a workaround.
On my win setup it works when either “any MIDI controller”, “GP-10” or “GP-10 DAW CTRL” is selected. Nevertheless you can not prevent the GP-10 from sending the program change messages, means you can’t utilize the expression pedal without having a filter (software or DAW) as mentioned by @Vaultnaemsae.
I’d recommend a separate foot controller unit with knobs and maybe two expression pedals instead of compromising the functionality of the GP-10 in case you want to play both, MG3 and GP-10 in parallel.
