Mixing the dry guitar sound with midiguitar3

Hello everyone, i have started experimenting with my setup : Guitar to GP-10 with GK3 to Midiguitar 3 Hex, and sound output on my guitar amp. It’s been very great so far.

I am trying to approach a convenient way to mix actual guitar signal from my regular pickups with sounds from midi guitar.

I tried at first to not use my original guitar or GP-10 output at all and to replace them entirely with guitar VSTs inside MG3 and DSPs. This seemed like a dead end to me because the guitar VSTs feel too slow and not subtle enough. The ability to keep the subtlety of “analog” guitar playing (palm muting, perfect “tracking”, pick vs hand, pickup selection) is just too important.

So I tried using the audio device module in MG3 to get my dry guitar sound from the GP-10 output and then modify it using a DSP. It’s been working pretty well but i have an issue that I get at the same time the regular sound coming from GP-10 to the amp as if there was no MG3 + the reworked sound from MG3 to the amp as well.

I have managed to make the original GP-10 signal less heard by lowering it a lot and boosting the volume inside the DSP in MG3.

It’s ok but it feels strange having to tamper a signal only to amplify it afterward. I really like the fact that i can control/mix the volume of my guitar through the regular volume knobs.

I am looking for a way to mute the signal from GP-10 to the amp directly and still get my dry guitar/GP-10 signal into MG3 with knob control. Has this been adressed before ? Would anyone have advices ?

I also noticed that having an empty channel in MG3 allows some signal to pass through even though my guitar volume & GP-10 are 0. I suspect that it’s coming from the hex pickup ? The quality is very bad compared to my pickup sound.

Thank you in advance

Have you tried to change the USB routing from “Standard” to “Direct-Off”?

I think you just found the solution ! Thanks !

Would you know how to prevent the gp-10 patch change to affect MG3 ?

Also do you know if appart from the expression pedal CC#11, other GP-10 controls could be used in MG3 ?

Thanks again !

Only the expression pedal of the GP-10 can be used controlling MG3.
I’m not sure what you mean with the patch changes. I’m using the S1/2 buttons of the GK3 to change patches on the GP-10 > MG3 is not affected by that.

Thanks,

Oh really, that’s lucky. On my side the patch up/down command from GP-10 either from the patch selector buttons on the pedal or on the GK3 buttons make me switch patch in MG3 also, it’s not convenient at all.

Also would you know how to redirect the output sound of MG3 to another speaker connected to my computer by bluetooth ? I only have GP-10 as output and recommended.

You can use the main outputs of the GP-10 to connect speakers. I don’t see a way to split the output of MG3 computer internally without involving a DAW and a good mixer.
You can set the MIDI patch bay in MG3 to “no MIDI controller” to see if the patches still change.

if you have a second asio audio interface you can use that for output and keep the gp10 for input.

but bluetooth audio has significant latency. a direct wired option will be preferable.

@Kimyo Wouldn’t that be rather rerouting than splitting? I don’t see the benefit of having just another audio interface instead of the GP-10 outputs. He could split the signals at the GP-10 ouput.
If the Audio Device in MG3 would be also an output it would be possible.

@Dutti67 you’re right, i was overthinking things.

Thank you both so the easiest option is to use the GP-10 output directly with the jack cable ?

I does make sense and has a stereo output.

Yes, you can use two balanced (TRS) 6.35mm instrument cables.