A question in absentia

Greetings. A couple of thoughts here before I actually get the chance to put real hands and attention on this; please forgive me if any of this has already been addressed or answered–I’ve been enjoying looking around the forum and learning just how much is going on in this new version!

I am one of those who will be playing instruments tuned down to C2 (my home tuning is Guitar Craft standard tuning, C2-G2-D3-A3-E4-G4), and so I am keenly interested in what your general advice might be, given the intention of releasing MIDI Bass at some point with what sounds like two-note polyphony. I’m definitely looking forward to that in its own right, but I’d like to have the full polyphony of MG3 if I can get it, for my own “home base”.

[With MG2 and its lower note limit of D2, I have (somewhat) learned just to avoid the C# and C below it, but that’s imperfect, and although I haven’t really tried to tackle Guitar Craft music itself with MIDI Guitar, a lot of that repertoire leans on the expanded pitch palette the tuning gives. Maybe consider that just food for thought. (I realize that at some point you just have to decide what the lowest note possible for full polyphony is, and there’ll always be at least one of us ne’er-do-wells out here who wants it to be just one step lower… :slight_smile: ]

So here’s a specific question that maybe people who know MG3 (and who know MG2 better than I; I’m just a nerd, not an expert) could address:

Could I use a quality octave-up pedal (I currently run a TC Sub N Up) to shift the audio up an octave for triggering, and then a Transposer to take it back down to the actual note pitch we want? I realize that’s a hack, and that would only work for the MIDI instrument and not the parallel audio, but mechanically, how sound an idea is that for me to contemplate as a workaround?

Or, with all the drop tunings and use of baritone in recent years, is it possible that we’ll be able to see an MG3 with pitch recognition down to C2 (or B1 for baritone standard)?

Finally, I have to say: thank you for doing this. I first saw the MG3 Beta invite email the night after we left town for a weekend of kids’ tournaments, and to save space I didn’t pack a usable instrument and interface–not having any idea this is what would greet me. Aaaak! As much as I love doing the dad thing at my kids’ events (and I really do), I’m kinda bouncing in my seat for when I can get back home and put some of these ideas to the test. This expansion of controller options, chaining and wiring, and the potential promise of the new sustain behavior, is pretty exciting, even for someone new to the world of MIDI in the first place who doesn’t even entirely know what he really wants to do with it in the end.

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Thank you for your feedback, and encourage!

Hey, that’s cheating :wink:

You can of course do that, but the pitch shifter will introduce more latency than we would do going front-on tackle. Possibly also other artefacts (attack velocity/pressure, maybe pitch) depending on the octaver.

I don’t want to make bold claims about low tunings right now, but as said, MIDI BASS 2 is in the pipeline (maybe almost ready) and will bring some new technology for tracking those lows. It’s possible that some of this technology can be adapted by MIDI Guitar 3.

Fair enough, and I kinda figured that the octaver cheat would dirty up the input signal enough to be noticeable in at least some cases. (Nonetheless, I’ll definitely be trying this once I get back home this week, just to see how it is in practice!) I’m hopeful that my Sub N Up, chosen at least partially over the EHX POG family because it seems to be more transparent in the upper octave, might be workable until we get MG polyphonic triggering down to C2. :smiley:

And despite being relatively new to the MIDI-verse in general (with a definite sense of being overwhelmed by the possibles) I have already recognized that I can just play up for reliable triggering, and shift the notes on the MIDI side, but ultimately my goal is to be able to simply use my available physical tuning range the same way for everything, to make full improvisation as unencumbered as possible.

And now, with MG3, there is this MPE universe to unpack too. What a mind-blowing advance this promises to be…

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