Ive posted elsewhere my initial use of mg2, and misunderstanding of what it does, in trying to get a bt midi guitar (akin to jamstik and aeroband) controller to work with it. Having achieved this with other software there are pros and cons.
Pros are a bank of stringed, and other, instruments set to any tuning that I can load at whim. Its great fun and really useful in trying out these sounds using a guitar like platform. But as good as it is its not an instrument and the effects mimicking a real instrument are still short of the real thing.
Obviously Midi guitar 2/3 solves this perfectly but there are issues. Im using an iphone 6s which is limited but has a headphone jack for irig, powerbanks, cables etc. Obviously More powerful phones/iPad/PC can handle it better but it involves extra kit.
If MG were also platformed on dedicated hardware similar to sonus gm2 but with a screen like sonicake or pandora mini for navigation it would make this much simpler.
I think thereās a space between the sonus and fishman tripleplay/roland gk that a dedicated device would serve in terms of cost and ease of use especially for jamming or practicing.
on a product like this, quality components are required, and a sizable portion of the market would probably prefer a solution capable of being installed in a typical guitar cavity.
but say you choose to go with a pedal format regardless, if you price out just the components - screen, cpu, ram, power, hardware/enclosure youād probably hit $300 before you blink.
thereās also the issue of developing hardware products in a world filled with tariffs and regulations. and hardware support is a very different animal.
what price were you thinking would be right for this product?
Those are all fair points, but re importation software is taxed. I wasnāt thinking of the price directly between the above examples, nor specifically a foot pedal but certainly under $200.
I had the sonus g2m v3 in mind, but also sonicake pocketmaster and pandora mini which is really quick and easy to setup and noodle/jam with. Thinking about it maybe a flat docking type cradle for smartphones is more practical and cheaper. Battery powered with programmable buttons for the quick commands and all usual inputs/outputs for hardware connections, analogue and midi, plus Bluetooth and WiFi etc. The differentiating functions would be the physical connections and routing through it as a hub. Im sure something like that would make the experience less cluttered/simpler and more practical.
A cradle wont cost $500! the sonus g2m is $99. Im trying to avoid cabling and extra kit for connections etc. I got the 6s specifically for the headphone jack to connect to irig.
I havent used MG3 but in MG2 the tuning function alone is btx $100 to $150 for drop pitch and equivalents. And theres already overlap between MG2 and sonicake pocket master for ex.
I think something along those lines above could be done for $200 whether as a pedal or a cradle.
you added bluetooth, usb, āstandardā audio connectors, wifi.
these things add up. you are nowhere near a $200 product in terms of your design spec.
i assume you arenāt using the sonus g2m because it does not suit your needs. that is an example of a product with next to no market. yes, it is $99. so what. no one wants it.
for that matter, no one wants the tripleplay either. and thatās $220/$440.
Exactly, noone wants them because theyre stupid expensive and MG is much cheaper and more versatile but you still need a bridge for physical connections. Im using btle on my controller which you can get for guitar but its more kit and expense.
I dont know how much those components are but they are components, pcb etc and youd still need to have the phone. The analogue to digital cables are at least $50.
There is so much convergence im sure MG3 covers most if not all the above. My suggestion is to make setup and playing simpler by removing the faff with multiple cables, converters etc.
I own both (Sonus and FTP) and donāt use them at all. The discussion here revolves around the expectation that a ten-year-old iPhone should deliver top-notch studio results with polyphonic tracking and all the other features, ideally almost for free. Thatās simply unrealistic.
I get where youre coming from now. I know the current jamstik line has hex pickup, its very good. My bt midi guitar I think was the planned jamstik kickstarter line they ditched, for good reason now ive set it up and used it.
Im not talking about that, i meant the tuning changes available in MG2 software, probably not as good as a dedicated pickup, but your suggestion is pretty good though expensive but would it work downstream of sound generated how is that different to MG3ās own tuning capability?
I would like a hexaphonic or optical pickup with a 6-channel USB audio output. A MIDI output (as used in Jamstik) would be easier to implement, but makes it impossible to use MG3.
Not true, the iPhone example i use is for a bt midi controller plenty powerful for that purpose.
Obviously if youre going to run MG3 on ios youd need a more powerful phone, but connecting is a faff. I think theres a place for a cradle with physical/wireless connections.
I maybe do not fully understand what your goal is. You canāt run MG2/3 using a Jamstik or Aeroband guitar since they do not deliver audio input but MIDI.
Forgive the confusion, there are two seperate discussions here, read my thread re bt midi guitar to understand what ive done with that. I mentioned it as an example of why I like midi emulation but there are clear limitations to how well it plays.
Instead I would prefer any electric guitar to connect directly to MG3 on an iPhone using regular 1/4ā cables through a dock, that has multiple options for physical/wireless connections.
Innards is a good way of describing it and it is solo/jamming i had in mind.
A piece of kit to connect the phone to directly that simplifies connecting the guitar to the phone and anything else you want ie pedals etc.
